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What are Homeowners Associations like in Teton Valley?

October 2, 2020 By Tayson Rockefeller Leave a Comment

Throughout the course of my career I have been struggling to explain the difference between a homeowners association in Teton Valley and what a potential buyer might be used to. There is a huge demand for real estate outside of a subdivision, but I think a lot of that has to do with the perception of what a subdivision usually is in more populated areas. I can distinctly recall many initial conversations to understand a buyer’s wants and needs. Many of them are looking to build a 2400 square foot, 3 bedroom home with a blend of wood siding and mountain moss stone. They’re looking for something with protected views in an area with other similar homes. This is a textbook “preferred design” for many subdivisions that help create building envelopes or guidance on preserving views, yet they don’t want to be in a subdivision. Usually, most buyers warm up to the idea of a rural, Teton Valley subdivision by the time they ultimately pull the trigger on a purchase, particularly when they find out the annual dues simply cover the road plowing and maintenance at a few hundred dollars a year, and everyone is pretty good about minding their own business around here.

To elaborate on subdivision life; there are subdivisions that allow and welcome horses, even a few that allow chickens. Most have a minimum home size between 1200 and 2200 per SqFt. Many subdivisions have landscaping standards, but few abide by them in a strict sense. I’m not aware of any where pets are not welcome, and almost all of allow a privacy fence or dog run. Some have a board of directors, others do not. Some subdivisions have only a few homes where each homeowner takes care of their own snow removal as the development fills out. While I have seen a few circumstances where a landowner has to find a unique way to obtain a view because of the next door neighbor, I have not personally seen a circumstance where a neighbor has deliberately blocked someone’s view. I would guess the average association fee is about $400 per year, and this is usually only to maintain roads and fire ponds. Most subdivisions have the convenience of utilities in the roadway, and a building site that is more or less ready to be built upon. We’ll see if this changes with the influx of buyers, but for the most part, both Teton Valley locals and new members of our community are reasonable, kind, and easy to work with when it comes to resolving issues. Remember that most subdivisions have building sites with an equivalent of two and a half acres or more, but even subdivisions with smaller lots get along all the same from what I can tell. Finally, most subdivisions do not restrict rentals of any kind (at the time of this writing).

Properties that are not within a subdivision can have their downsides, too. If you’re looking to buy 20 acres or more, it usually doesn’t gain you much to be inside (or out) of subdivision. Your neighbors are usually far enough away that the extra few utility trailers they collect won’t bother you much. Regardless, there are a few reasons why being in a subdivision just isn’t going to work out for some:

1) Home Sizes

This is probably the biggest one, and it ties in with the next category. Tiny homes, and in many cases, building guest houses before main houses can be difficult within a subdivision. The concern is making an exception for one person, and setting a precedent. There have also been many circumstances where a guest house is built, but the main house never follows.

2) Manufactured and Modular Homes

This one makes sense. If you invest in an expensive home in a nice development, you would probably like to keep the appearance and value of the homes similar. No, you really won’t find any tract housing in Teton Valley, and values can vary significantly from one street to the other even in the same development, but this is usually where a line is drawn. I should clarify – some modular home companies build an extraordinary product so I would call this case by case with each development.

3) Restriction on Out Buildings

Some developments will be restricted on room, others on that view preservation we talked about earlier. Either way, most subdivisions (even if there is room) would prefer that you don’t convert a potato cellar or quonset into a shop. Many do, however, allow for a barn or detached garage.

4) Conditional Use

Almost all developments restrict commercial use (note that Idaho generally does not recognize rentals as a commercial use) save for an artist studio or in some cases a home business that does not impact the neighborhood. With that said, if you are looking for some sort of conditional use permit for commercial use as viewed by the city or county, you can bet that you aren’t going to get through the homeowners association.

5) Goats, Pigs and Chickens

This one hasn’t been coming up as often as it used to, but with the exception of a few communities, goats, chickens, pigs, cows and other livestock are generally not allowed.

To summarize, it’s best to use your judgment. I understand that there are strict rule followers out there that won’t feel comfortable purchasing in a neighborhood that restricts something, even if everyone else is breaking that rule. With that being said, the drive-by test is the best solution in many cases. Look at each neighborhood. If you’re driving through a golf community and all of the lawns are well manicured, then you are probably going to have to have some sort of landscaping, and you are probably going to have to keep it maintained. If all of the neighbors have horse trailers or campers, you can probably feel comfortable with your camper. You can do the same for building style, building materials, how the neighbors have helped preserve views and so on. Do I know the ramification for breaking the rule(s) when everyone else is doing the same? No, I don’t. Regardless, some people are comfortable with the “cowboy” way of life and unspoken rule of law, and some aren’t.

The (Summer) 2020 Real Estate Craze

August 16, 2020 By Tayson Rockefeller Leave a Comment

I try not to write articles about market statistics. It creates references in time that may not be relevant a year from now, or even a month from now. I am working with a customer as I write this that brought up an article I wrote back in 2012, and how much things have changed. It goes back to using old real estate data to value something today. Appraisers like to use the most recent data possible, and rarely look at anything over a year old. There’s a good reason for that. With the above said, let’s get into it.

What’s Happening? If you are reading this article today, I don’t have to tell you how crazy the real estate market is. If you are reading this article 8 years from now, it’s crazy. Everything is flying off the shelf. To put things into perspective, In 2019 there were 281 land sales throughout Teton Valley. Year-to-date we’ve had 189. This isn’t that crazy. Add in the number of pending transactions and that number jumps to 292 – and August isn’t even over yet. There are over 100 contracts on vacant land out there today. Here’s another one. In 2019 there were 21 sales throughout Teton Valley in excess of $1m. YTD there have been 15, but there are 20 pending sale. I can do this in pretty much every sector of the real estate market.

What Caused This? I think it’s pretty clear that COVID-19 has something to do with it. People flocking to rural America is a conversation I’m almost tired of having. I thought about naming the article in the name of the catalyst – but I’m not even going to go there. This is a touchy subject that has impacted millions of people. Regardless, I’m sure we are in a little bit of a perfect storm. Another thing I’ll hate to admit for future readers sifting through old material, interest rates are at historic lows. Even the interest rates are tied to the pandemic, however. Teton Valley was waiting to be discovered? Yeah, we’ve been saying that for a long time. I wrote an article not long ago about the common comparison of the future of Teton Valley to the next Park City or Sun Valley. In that article, I basically made a claim that we have too much available land and we were quite a ways off from that happening. Now I remember why I don’t make predictions.

What’s Going to Happen? Hey, I just said I don’t want to make predictions. I will provide a few scenarios, however.

Scenario 1: We do become the next big destination. Targhee expands, all of those 3500 building sites throughout the Valley that everyone said would never get purchased are snatched up. Construction goes wild, and commercial expands. Teton Valley becomes as recognizable as Sun Valley.

Scenario 2: All of the bad stuff happening in the world catches up to us, and gets us back into reality. Everyone working from home and moving to Teton Valley realizes that we do have a Winter season, and it is a long one. Inventory levels creep back up and the market stabilizes, or sags.

Scenario 3: We know there is turmoil in the economy, but not all economic downturns impact real estate. After all, most historic data shows that since the 50s or so, we really only had one drop in real estate prices, and that was in 2007. It’s fresh in my mind because that was a big chunk of my career, so that probably always causes me to be conservative or even pessimistic in some fashion or another. Anyway, certain areas of the Valley are changed forever. All of the golf clubs become more exclusive, and the high-end real estate becomes less obtainable. Many of these land purchases remain vacant land, but residential inventory rises over time. Those city dwellers tired of winter adds to that inventory, and the market stabilizes, or at least normalizes. Real estate prices aren’t dramatically affected because construction costs remain high, and much of the land purchased today is redistributed into the market over the next generation. COVID-19 and the Summer of 2020 changes the landscape of Teton Valley forever, and traffic increases with visitors who have finally discovered our beautiful home.

Remember, I don’t make predictions. But if somebody gave me all three of these options, I think this is the one I would probably put my money on.

Land Inspections

June 13, 2020 By Tayson Rockefeller Leave a Comment

I’m not sure if it’s how busy things are or the increase in the number of land transactions equating to an increase of things I haven’t seen before, but I sure have seen an uptick of strange inspection findings. Over the course of my career, I’ve bumped into town parcels without connectivity to a sewer line, sinkholes because of buried cars, a number of buried fuel tanks, concerns over oil spills, hillside geotechnical concerns and more. As one might expect, I’ve also run the gamut with discussions on radon, bugs, covenants and restrictions, easements and so on. However, lately, I’ve even bumped into a few more. Bedrock preventing a typical septic install, extraordinary deep wells and artesian wells and springs are a few examples. One thing is for sure (although not as geographically interesting as Yellowstone), Teton Valley has some diverse terrain with nuances that one may not normally consider. I suppose it all depends on what one might be used to in terms of the nuances of their area, but even I would not have predicted bedrock in areas of the Teton Valley.

The above being said, it’s important to do your research. Remember that as agents, we are not experts in geography, terrain, practicing law, interpreting title and so forth. Real estate agents negotiate real estate transactions, and that includes negotiating due diligence and inspection periods for buyers to better understand and research the property they intend to buy.

Unfortunately, it’s almost impossible to plan for every situation that may arise when purchasing land with plans to build. One of the benefits (although not a guarantee) of purchasing a pre-existing home is the fact that many of the potential problems either did not arise, or have been resolved. Another tip to consider when buying land is purchasing in a subdivision. Although I have bumped into properties within subdivisions that still had special wetland requirements or septic problems, it’s less likely. With the growing demand for properties that are not in a subdivision, it’s important to also consider the fact that subdivisions have likely already been through a preliminary set of county or city required engineering reports, soil testing and so on.

The moral of the story, and the theme for many of my articles is; do your research!

What is going on with the potential County Zone and Code changes?

March 9, 2020 By Tayson Rockefeller Leave a Comment

The county is currently working through a land development code update. They have drafted an initial code, and are currently in the stages of the public review and comment for the draft code. There are some big proposed changes, but what do they mean?

Teton County’s comprehensive plan, zoning, land use and development codes can be a lot to understand. I often have to find ways to articulate information and provide data in an efficient way without being overbearing, similar to situations when I am working with a first-time home buyer. I’m going to try to explain the new proposed zoning changes in this article, saving the development and code changes for another day.

WHAT IS IT NOW?

The County (not City limits) is currently made up of two main types of zoning, A-2.5 and A-20 zones. Most of the areas South of Victor and North or East of State Highway 33 are A-2.5, and most everything else (save for a few areas along the foothills) is A-20. It’s roughly 50-50. What does that mean? It’s pretty simple. A-2.5 has a minimum density requirement of one house & guest house per 2.5 acres, and A-20 is 20 acres. There are a few other zoning categories, mostly related to industrial and commercial use.

WHAT IS PROPOSED?

Aside from the commercial zones, there are five new zoning types proposed. Keeping in mind that the number represents the minimum density requirement per residence, they are as follows: A “Rural Agriculture” 35 acre zone replaces most of what used to be the A-20. A second 35 acre “Wetland” zone is similar, presumably with stricter development guidelines due to its location within wetland areas, mostly in the watershed East of the Teton River. A “Foothill” 10-acre zone encompasses most of the surrounding foothills, which would take the place of the previous 2.5 acres zone in many areas. A rural neighborhood 20 acres zone is built around the areas East of Driggs to accommodate future development, and finally, the highest density zone is a “Rural Neighborhood” 5 acre zone that would encompass the Fox Creek area between Victor and Driggs and the Hastings Lane are between Driggs and Tetonia, both mostly limited to areas East of State Highway 33.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN? This is largely up to interpretation and debate. Unfortunately, it will likely turn into a political debate, but that’s not my purpose here. My interpretation is that it is clear that the density requirements are going to go WAY down. In other words, there will be fewer homes per acre. It will likely decrease the supply of land over time, and increase demand. In theory, this could increase property values in the distant future as existing land is absorbed. At the same token, it will make it challenging for newcomers to the area looking for affordable land. As a property owner, I see both the upside and downside. I do not own any large farm tracts so I am not affected by land development challenges. I also feel that many of our building sites are more affordable than they should be, considering the recreational market status of our community. However, that is mostly attributed to the perception of oversupply (and construction costs), which I have discussed in previous articles, and will discuss further in future ones.

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